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 Did 1941 Zenith 10S599 Have 3 Player Speeds?

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PostSubject: Did 1941 Zenith 10S599 Have 3 Player Speeds?   Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:00 am

Thouhgt I posted this last night. Can't find it today. I picked up a 1941 Zenith 10S599 console with recored player. Player looks original but is it? It has 33, 45 and 78 speeds. I'm being told that it should only have 78 being a 1941. Is this true? When did 33 and 45 get incorporated into console player/radio combos?

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PostSubject: Re: Did 1941 Zenith 10S599 Have 3 Player Speeds?   Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:14 am

33 1/3 RPM record players were first introduced briefly in the early 1930's (I think by RCA), but were unsuccessful. The 33 RPM speed was tried again successfully in 1948, while the 45 RPM players started to be made the next year, in 1949. So, if you have a radio/phono combo from 1941, the original phono would only have had the 78 RPM speed.

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PostSubject: Re: Did 1941 Zenith 10S599 Have 3 Player Speeds?   Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:43 am

It was very common in the 1950s for pre-1948 consoles to have their 78-only turntables replaced with modern 3-speed units. The last 78 RPM records were made in 1960.

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PostSubject: Re: Did 1941 Zenith 10S599 Have 3 Player Speeds?   Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:44 am

Thank you very much! So I have an aftermarket record player in my 1941 10S599 cabinet. Someone sure did a professional job of putting it in. Looks original.

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PostSubject: Re: Did 1941 Zenith 10S599 Have 3 Player Speeds?   Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:51 pm

dberman51 wrote:
It was very common in the 1950s for pre-1948 consoles to have their 78-only turntables replaced with modern 3-speed units. The last 78 RPM records were made in 1960.

-David

Ummm Look at what this search revealed...

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&expIds=17259,17291,22881,24472,26095,26562,26637&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=new+78+rpm+records&cp=6&pf=p&sclient=psy&safe=off&aq=f&aqi=g4g-o1&aql=&oq=new+78&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=aab57177b5574cbd

Apparently, 78's are being pressed around the world. I have no idea why, the cost and the music but there it is...

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PostSubject: Re: Did 1941 Zenith 10S599 Have 3 Player Speeds?   Wed Oct 13, 2010 4:11 pm

I think it was just a 78 player and had parts made of pot metal. Either an updated changer was wanted, or the other one fell apart.
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PostSubject: Re: Did 1941 Zenith 10S599 Have 3 Player Speeds?   Wed Oct 13, 2010 4:29 pm

Umm, from your search query:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramophone_record

1960 is good enough.

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PostSubject: Re: Did 1941 Zenith 10S599 Have 3 Player Speeds?   Wed Oct 13, 2010 4:44 pm

New or nearly new 45's are available from some artists. I have purchased new 45's for some of my jukeboxes. More often than not, they came from Europe. AC-DC Runaway Train sounds pretty good coming out of an old Seeburg. My wife listens to a couple of Lady Gaga 45's that drives me nuts. They usually are between $5 and $10 a pop though.

Your changer has been replaced as was previously mentioned. The good thing is fifties/sixties changers tracked at less weight than earlier arms so they are easier on the records.
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PostSubject: Re: Did 1941 Zenith 10S599 Have 3 Player Speeds?   Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:33 pm

Depending on what brand or type of turntable was retrofitted to your radio, a 50's vintage Zenith "Cobramatic" would be a really cool retrofit and would still be of the original manufacturer. They also tracked at a fraction of the orignal tonearm's weight!
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PostSubject: Re: Did 1941 Zenith 10S599 Have 3 Player Speeds?   Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:07 pm

I have a few of those early 33 rpm records
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